[font=times new roman]A new rule has been implemented into the game-play of Moonshade.net's CSGO Roleplay server, stating that if multiple players are present within an owned door or subdoor, that the crime of each player may be combined; furthermore, if the combined crime exceeds the standard kick-door amount, a cop may kick down the group's door.
Let's start with the main complaint. The majority of the players which whom's crime is combined in the equation either shouldn't have been cuffed with the sub-2500 crime that they possess, or have not enough crime even for a cuff, shall be disturbed and/or cuffed by a police officer unfairly, all because of a teammate or teammates's combined crime.
Second, the idea that a player may be able to kill a cop that has recently kicked down a door, enter the door themselves, not having to break any locks, and getting the plants for free from the victims player was already an issue in the pre-patch game; however, the inclusion of this new rule makes door-kicking more common, and thus, more bullshit that the common player should not have to deal with.
Finally, the argument that this would persuade most, if not all, cops to be more active in their privilege as a police officer in this gamemode. While this statement is most definitely true, the risk is simply too great for the reward. This new rule may have us lose a few players because of false reports of abuse, or possibly out of pure anger of the unfairness of this rule.
In conclusion, this rule is detrimental to the majority (civilian) player-base, which is too small to begin with. Implementing this rule may heavily damage, or even kill, the server with the large amount of drama and a recent influx of player morale dropping. Don't take the risk, and remove this burden before it becomes a grave-digger.
Thank you for your time and consideration,
-VVR You Are Reading A Name (Simon[/font])
Crime Combined: The invalidity of the new rule.
This rule made my whole group split.
We have no purpose to live together anymore.
Its kind of in the way, but i guess only one person drug farming at a time.
Gotta get use to the new rules. :-\
I'm not sure how to feel about the rule. I see the pros and cons to having this rule so who knows what is going to happen. Personally I think we should keep the rule for a week and see how it plays out. If it as bad as 90% of the players say it is then we can always remove it but we can at least give it a shot? Who knows. Only one problem I can see with this system though. I player that has keys to the door, has crime, but isn't in the house at the moment is probably going to be counted into a cops total calculation has to how much crime is in the house. There is no way of know who is or isn't in the house at that current time.
" Only one problem I can see with this system though. I player that has keys to the door, has crime, but isn't in the house at the moment is probably going to be counted into a cops total calculation has to how much crime is in the house. There is no way of know who is or isn't in the house at that current time."
Excellent point, I hadn't thought about that as of the time of writing this. Thank you for your contribution to this thread.
-VVR
OK, this rule was implemented to discourage gangs, and to prevent an issue that we had on a previous map, and this issue was people were mass rdming and using lawyers to stay away from the kickdoor crime. Also this rule can only be used if the cop can guarantee that the people with the crime to kick down the door are residing in the home at the time of kicking the door. They cannot just use /door to see who owns the door and check players crime and do the math then kick door if only one player is in the home while the other is roaming the street.
Linx wroteThis rule made my whole group split.
We have no purpose to live together anymore.
Its kind of in the way, but i guess only one person drug farming at a time.
Gotta get use to the new rules. :-\
I agree, this rule will and has ruined groups that have no past with rule-breaking or activities. It only makes the rich richer, and kicks the poor attempting union into the dust. I've had to refund entry fees, and the idea of implementing this rule may cause commotion amoung every group and future group on the server.
Although this has nothing to do with the outcome of this rule me and others would like to hear your input on this decision.
http://www.strawpoll.me/7025246
As a response to Yamamoto: Yes this would be wonderful but we all know that cops are going kick door regardless to whether they know for sure the people are inside the house because they don't have a way of knowing who is inside the house so they are going to kick door anyways. Then when someone calls them out on it they are going to say "Sorry bud I didn't know." Then cops who don't mean to abuse will get caught up in this resulting in a mass reduction of cops.
Yamamoto wroteOK, this rule was implemented to discourage gangs, and to prevent an issue that we had on a previous map, and this issue was people were mass rdming and using lawyers to stay away from the kickdoor crime. Also this rule can only be used if the cop can guarantee that the people with the crime to kick down the door are residing in the home at the time of kicking the door. They cannot just use /door to see who owns the door and check players crime and do the math then kick door if only one player is in the home while the other is roaming the street.
Yamamoto,
What we did was have a lawyer in our house, but we never killed anyone. We grinded drugs.
We had one lawyer and banker in our house so we could drug grind. While we were drug grinding,
a cop kicked our door and let other T's in. The T's raided our house and took everything.
This is one of the reasons im opposed. He just let alot of T's in. The cop didn't even jail us.
We all got killed instead of him jailing us...
Yamamoto wroteOK, this rule was implemented to discourage gangs, and to prevent an issue that we had on a previous map, and this issue was people were mass rdming and using lawyers to stay away from the kickdoor crime. Also this rule can only be used if the cop can guarantee that the people with the crime to kick down the door are residing in the home at the time of kicking the door. They cannot just use /door to see who owns the door and check players crime and do the math then kick door if only one player is in the home while the other is roaming the street.
Well then implementing the idea of having the cop confirm that all players being in the house at the specific time of the kick-door only complicates the situation for the cop now, who should be benefited in the first place. It's either have it so that the cop can unfairly kick-door due to this rule, or have the cop sitting by houses without windows for 5 minutes, making sure if he can kick-door or not. This rule only brings an unnecessarily complicated system into the game, and can be used for so much unintentional abuse, leading to reports and undeserved demotions for cops. I support your decision to discourage rdming gangs, but what about the peaceful ones that just want to plant?
The whole idea of getting rid of mass RDMing is a wonderful thing but there has to be another way to do it. This isn't the answer. This has become corporal punishment. Two kids stole a cookie from the school so now the whole school gets no cookies. I just want my cookies man. :biblethump:
At first I read this and thought, oh snap, this rule is terrible. But now I see that it is amazing. Too long we have seen a gang of 5-10 dudes show up for 2 weeks and then have millions of dollars and dominating the server because they all share one house and are drug planting extremely fast with no risk. This rule will work to split up gangs, which are illegal in the first place. Whoever made this rule, props to you, you figured out a way to slow down this gang madness!
ReZ2 wroteAt first I read this and thought, oh snap, this rule is terrible. But now I see that it is amazing. Too long we have seen a gang of 5-10 dudes show up for 2 weeks and then have millions of dollars and dominating the server because they all share one house and are drug planting extremely fast with no risk. This rule will work to split up gangs, which are illegal in the first place. Whoever made this rule, props to you, you figured out a way to slow down this gang madness!
You're welcome i guess.
I will provide further input later, time is running short for me as of the moment.
Whether this rule stays or not, is up to everyone's behavior. Behave good = remove rule, behave bad = keep rule. We do not need some rules if people have common sense.
Ok. This rule has its pros and its cons. Being a cop myself I have endured many cases where someone would have crime but not enough for a kickdoor. I understand that kickdoor is a bad idea, but you have to think about it in a RP kind of way, Role-playing is the same as real life. In real life cops don't give a damn if you have a high crime rate or low. If you are in a house, and cops have a warrent for your arrest they will kick your door down and arrest the criminal, The only thing I see wrong with this is if we do kickdoor, then other T's will run in and take everything, I don't approve of it, but its because people don't fear cops as much, Cops are limited to many things. I personally didn't like when the rule about a T shooting a cop and dieing, while another officer sees is no longer able to shoot. We as officers should be able to protect each other if we see another cop in danger. Now back to the matter at hand, I think that this rule should be given the chance, but the officers need something extra if a case like this comes along. Ie: Some training in this situation. I say that we should only enforce that rule when 4 or more cops are on. I say this because we need officers who can do things like keep other T's from running in, and officers that can move into the house and take down the threat. Another thing we could try is allowing cops with higher experience kick down doors so that it doesn't feel like abuse. Cops with better training should be allowed to take control of the situation. There go I feel that a new cop training is in order.
+support/ Crime Combining my final verdict
I'm not sure how this is going to play out but I may have somewhat of a solution. When a cop plans to kick somebodies door they can tell everyone near the door to vacant the area or be shot. The people then have 10 seconds to leave or they get killed by the cop. Any players that attempt to run in at the last second after the cop has kicked down the door can also be shot. After the cop leaves the house it then becomes the responsibility of the owner / members of the house to protect their houses. This will create a RP environment and some quality gameplay. If the owner / member is afk in the house and is not able to protect is then it is their fault for not using the afk room.
Gonna play it safe. Sorry to all who wanted a change in balance. We're just not ready for this.
Do not enforce the new rule that cops may "kickdoor when everyone gets above 2500 crime in a home", it was a mistake.