Rules 'n' Stuff

Skittle

As we all know, the rules need to be updated, but they also need to be enforced correctly,
But I'm going to talk about one at a time.

They need to be updated.
The server won't live much longer making up rules as you go, rules are getting made up randomly by admins and players and its honestly breaking the server
For example, this one was put down a while ago, but it still happened.
On westfield someone made up a rule saying "Cops cannot cuff in the VIP Homes, or players can't go in without being VIP or cops not being allowed to go in, full details don't matter too much, but it was really fucked up, a more recent one was "You can't votemute when an admin is on." That one was kind of stupid in my opinion, as some admins don't do anything when someone is breaking the rules (Unless something is done to them, which I will explain in the second thing I talk about.) Some action would need to be taken on the player that is mic spamming, chat spamming etc if an admin will not do anything, that "rule" that wasn't even a rule, and was just made up was also bad. The thing about made up rules is a lot of people on the server are young, in the age-group of 9-14, and if they're told something they will believe it, I could probably pass something around that 2500 crime meant VIP, and people would actually believe it and cops would enforce it, which is bad, honestly you should UPDATE THE RULES and also say "If it's not in the rules it's not a rule" but only AFTER you update it, so that people won't make up any bullshit rules.
Admins don't enforce rules, unless they're the ones being disrespected, cop rdmed, etc.
Take for instance the rule "Respect all players." I can go flame anyone in the chat with admins watching and have absolutely nothing happen to me, if I say one word to an admin that I could to a player just fine, they will ban/mute/gag etc. You can probably see the problem there, but just in case you don't, I'll explain.
Players can go and disrespect other players all they want without ANYTHING happening to them whatsoever, except for in cases like these:
Lets say an admin particularly hated a player, and sees the player they hate flaming someone in chat, the person that the admin doesn't like/hates will be gagged/muted.
That's a problem.
Or
Lets say a player flames a player, and the player that was just flamed, fights back and the chat becomes an all out war, nothing will happen to them whatsoever, it would take a while for them to be stopped.
That's a problem.
Or
Lets say a player disrespects an admin, MUTED/GAGGED INSTANTLY NO QUESTIONS ASKED.
That's a problem.
I'm not saying all admins do this, but a lot of them do.
Small summary for the kids reading this: Admins don't do anything to players disrespecting other players; Admins will take action if they're the ones getting disrespected.
Another thing similar to this is:
If a player gets cop rdmed, they will go tell an admin, a few of the admins will just completely ignore the player all together, lets say this admin gets cop rdmed, INSTANTLY UNEMPLOYED.
To summarize #2 completely: Admins will only take action if they're the ones getting disrespected/cop rdmed, admins will not do anything whatsoever if a player is disrespecting/cop rdming another playing.
All that is a big big big problem, and the server won't last forever in its current state.
Update the rules.
Have a talk with all your admins.
etc. etc. etc.

-Sincerely, Skittle.

Sheckles

I like this but
I personally know alot of admins dont warn or gagged or anything but myself i dont take crap, disresect = punish

Skittle

Ace, the Vintage of Sheckles wrote
I like this but
I personally know alot of admins dont warn or gagged or anything but myself i dont take crap, disresect = punish

You're one of the very very very few admins if not the only that takes action on all of the rules.

But, you cannot be on all the time, so that's bad, I think all the admins should take action on every rule, not just when they're affected.

ALL not just ONE.

MurderousMorty

The reality of the situation is you shouldn't be allowed to do anything that isn't allowed. If you can do it, then it should be allowed. "Good on you for playing enough to discover a competitive edge. Your time spent doing so helps the server grow." Trying to enforce a big shifting list of psudo-rules that often don't make sense just results in server depopulation. Admins and mods are just trying to do the right thing, but it's easy to end up banning people for dumb reasons when the server isn't coded to enforce its own rules.

But that requires coding and effort and often money.

Sheckles

MurderousMorty wrote
The reality of the situation is you shouldn't be allowed to do anything that isn't allowed. If you can do it, then it should be allowed. "Good on you for playing enough to discover a competitive edge. Your time spent doing so helps the server grow." Trying to enforce a big shifting list of psudo-rules that often don't make sense just results in server depopulation. Admins and mods are just trying to do the right thing, but it's easy to end up banning people for dumb reasons when the server isn't coded to enforce its own rules.

But that requires coding and effort and often money.

Allowing people to abuse in-game commands that is essentislly a internal macro/scripting ahould be allowed?

Welp,
Fuck

MurderousMorty

Ace, the Vintage of Sheckles wrote
MurderousMorty wrote
The reality of the situation is you shouldn't be allowed to do anything that isn't allowed. If you can do it, then it should be allowed. "Good on you for playing enough to discover a competitive edge. Your time spent doing so helps the server grow." Trying to enforce a big shifting list of psudo-rules that often don't make sense just results in server depopulation. Admins and mods are just trying to do the right thing, but it's easy to end up banning people for dumb reasons when the server isn't coded to enforce its own rules.

But that requires coding and effort and often money.

Allowing people to abuse in-game commands that is essentislly a internal macro/scripting ahould be allowed?

Welp,
Fuck

Not necessarily. If they are bad for the game maybe try to disable them or detect it.

Or better yet, why not make updates that make macroing irrelevant and not necessary. Crop harvesters that are balanced? Bulk add lock command? etc..

It would make for less bans on frequent players. That's all I'm getting at here.

saeko

morty has a point, but skittle does have some too

Joey

There is already a way to see if someone is using the bind to add locks or break locks and i already know how to check so there is already a way to see if someone is doing this. We don't need to take rules away because people are getting punished for them, that's the whole point in having them in the first place. There is reasons that people cannot use binds due to a exploit that shouldn't be talked about. It's as simple as that. As much as I would love to be able to put locks on faster, the reason you aren't allowed to do this is quite reasonable.

BOB1014564

Ace, the Vintage of Sheckles wrote
I personally know alot of admins dont warn or gagged or anything but myself i dont take crap, disresect = punish

Sheckles all you do is warn and gag and no one gives 2 fucks.

Sheckles

GayW wrote
Ace, the Vintage of Sheckles wrote
I personally know alot of admins dont warn or gagged or anything but myself i dont take crap, disresect = punish

Sheckles all you do is warn and gag and no one gives 2 fucks.

So then i should make punishments more harsh?
Ok u asked for it

BOB1014564

Ace, the Vintage of Sheckles wrote
GayW wrote
Ace, the Vintage of Sheckles wrote
I personally know alot of admins dont warn or gagged or anything but myself i dont take crap, disresect = punish

Sheckles all you do is warn and gag and no one gives 2 fucks.

So then i should make punishments more harsh?
Ok u asked for it

yeah finally

PatrickJFox

Yes I got almost banned for breaking a rule that was not in the rules I mean why.

Sheckles is the only non favoritism admin that I know

Skittle

Patrick J Fox wrote
Yes I got almost banned for breaking a rule that was not in the rules I mean why.

I'm not sure why they haven't even updated the Rules tab of the forums even a little bit, I mean how hard is it to press "Edit" and add some shit in?

Come on guys :/

Denny

they havent updated the rules page the same as the devblogs page

they havent updated much

Skittle

Denny wrote
they havent updated the rules page the same as the devblogs page

they havent updated mutch

I honestly doubt anyone gives a flying fuck about the devblog page, as they post updates in the Announcements/Updates.

But the rules sure as hell need to be updated :/

Joey

I mean, I'm not complaining but at the same time it would be great to have the rules updated since non-listed rules always seem to spark up argument.

zhopia

Pretty sure we are working on it. (But don't take my word for it)

Joey

zhopia wrote
Pretty sure we are working on it. (But don't take my word for it)

Thanks for the heads up. If you are working on it then I'm looking forward to seeing it.