I don't think that's how it works to be honest.

Fuck V2. Honestly, this shitty map doesn't need anymore problems than it already has caused.

So since everyone wanted a v2 of Westfield now everyone's going to bully me into hiring XanX back?

This is some Mafia II fucked up shit ^-^

King of KFC Jamal wrote

Fuck V2. Honestly, this shitty map doesn't need anymore problems than it already has caused.

Hahaha it's funny cause this shitty map is better than anything you've ever made... ops, I mean stole...
Anyways, don't take this seriously cause it's just a comeback.

Maybe if you look at this from a different perspective a v2 would actually "fix" the "problems" you're talking about JamJam.

Be careful what you wish for

myback wrote

Be careful what you wish for

is the cursor pointing at the VIP (xanx now has dev tag

making it so that huge vip building isn't taking up so much room in the center of the map is a good idea

Idk about that street that connects two separate parts of the map. This will make a bunch aplayers on on side all the time and others on the other side.

Saeko wrote

Idk about that street that connects two separate parts of the map. This will make a bunch aplayers on on side all the time and others on the other side.

Street gangs (east side vs west side)

XanX wrote

King of KFC Jamal wrote

Fuck V2. Honestly, this shitty map doesn't need anymore problems than it already has caused.

Hahaha it's funny cause this shitty map is better than anything you've ever made... ops, I mean stole...
Anyways, don't take this seriously cause it's just a comeback.

Maybe if you look at this from a different perspective a v2 would actually "fix" the "problems" you're talking about JamJam.

Comeback? no this is outright rude seriously he just helped the community with another map and thats just his own opinion so please if you want to actually help the community go ahead if not then leave please.

XanX wrote

King of KFC Jamal wrote

Fuck V2. Honestly, this shitty map doesn't need anymore problems than it already has caused.

Hahaha it's funny cause this shitty map is better than anything you've ever made... ops, I mean stole...
Anyways, don't take this seriously cause it's just a comeback.

Maybe if you look at this from a different perspective a v2 would actually "fix" the "problems" you're talking about JamJam.

Sure, it is original than any of the RP maps I ported. But the corruptions and social issues that you brought with this map will just have a comeback as well. You created so much problems within the community and the admin team during that time. All I see is that you doing this to get a position and donation money from Mewn again. This community is in dark times already and we don't need more problems occurring because of you. That all I got to say about this. I not vetoing a v2, I voting against foresee incidents.

@KitKat People like you just literally have no logical sense behind what they say, let me elaborate on this and prove what you're saying is incorrect. So
it's rude of me to defend myself when he's the one starting the shit talk?
Yes, it may be his opinion, but so is what i said, don't you think??? so how comes his rude remark isn't rude but mine is when both are just opinions?
It's just a rhetorical question, don't answer it, I don't want to go off-topic now.

@JamJam
Over-exaggeration of what is in the past now, hopefully we can move on and stop looking back at it. People want to see a v2 and they will see it no matter how many times YOU try to stop it from happening.
I'm in no position of power at all by being in the DEV team, I'm not applying to be an admin, I'm not applying to be a forum moderator, I'm just simply here to do what MyBack says. I'm just another regular player on the server as well as on the forums. So now that this is cleared up, let's move on with the topic.

@[deleted]
This is going to have to happen in order to optimise the map and make it so that every part of the map has some sort of use behind it, new buildings will be placed on or near the new streets to facilitate the lack of buildings.
This isn't the only part of the map that is going to be split off the center.
The park will be the center of the map and the "roundabout" will lead to different sections of the map, North, East, South and West. At least, that's the plan for now.

gz on dev :kappa: also I would love west side vs east side dat'd be rad but don't know if it would work out that much.

XanX wrote

@KitKat People like you just literally have no logical sense behind what they say, let me elaborate on this and prove what you're saying is incorrect. So
it's rude of me to defend myself when he's the one starting the shit talk?
Yes, it may be his opinion, but so is what i said, don't you think??? so how comes his rude remark isn't rude but mine is when both are just opinions?
It's just a rhetorical question, don't answer it, I don't want to go off-topic now.

@JamJam
Over-exaggeration of what is in the past now, hopefully we can move on and stop looking back at it. People want to see a v2 and they will see it no matter how many times YOU try to stop it from happening.
I'm in no position of power at all by being in the DEV team, I'm not applying to be an admin, I'm not applying to be a forum moderator, I'm just simply here to do what MyBack says. I'm just another regular player on the server as well as on the forums. So now that this is cleared up, let's move on with the topic.

@[deleted]
This is going to have to happen in order to optimise the map and make it so that every part of the map has some sort of use behind it, new buildings will be placed on or near the new streets to facilitate the lack of buildings.
This isn't the only part of the map that is going to be split off the center.
The park will be the center of the map and the "roundabout" will lead to different sections of the map, North, East, South and West. At least, that's the plan for now.

You do realize that jamal didnt say anything about you only about V2 so you basically just insulted him and i do have logical sense in the fact that i actually read what people say.

Community wants v2 xanx said he won't make v2 unless he got dev community is abusing myback to hire him back so community gets v2 the reason my backs hesitating is that he got stripped for doing dumb shit and not listening to the community but there's no other choice then to hire him and get another v2.

King of KFC Jamal wrote

XanX wrote

King of KFC Jamal wrote

Fuck V2. Honestly, this shitty map doesn't need anymore problems than it already has caused.

Hahaha it's funny cause this shitty map is better than anything you've ever made... ops, I mean stole...
Anyways, don't take this seriously cause it's just a comeback.

Maybe if you look at this from a different perspective a v2 would actually "fix" the "problems" you're talking about JamJam.

Sure, it is original than any of the RP maps I ported. But the corruptions and social issues that you brought with this map will just have a comeback as well. You created so much problems within the community and the admin team during that time. All I see is that you doing this to get a position and donation money from Mewn again. This community is in dark times already and we don't need more problems occurring because of you. That all I got to say about this. I not vetoing a v2, I voting against foresee incidents.

I paid for westfield out of my own pocket. Not with donation money.

MrCrocker wrote

Community wants v2 xanx said he won't make v2 unless he got dev community is abusing myback to hire him back so community gets v2 the reason my backs hesitating is that he got stripped for doing dumb shit and not listening to the community but there's no other choice then to hire him and get another v2.

You got it. It was a really snake-like tactic 'tbh'

XanX wrote

@KitKat People like you just literally have no logical sense behind what they say, let me elaborate on this and prove what you're saying is incorrect. So
it's rude of me to defend myself when he's the one starting the shit talk?
Yes, it may be his opinion, but so is what i said, don't you think??? so how comes his rude remark isn't rude but mine is when both are just opinions?
It's just a rhetorical question, don't answer it, I don't want to go off-topic now.

Excuse me, but you did tell me a few times last night that were actually drunk - when you wrote the reply, on this thread, in which Kitten was responding to.

Making an exclaimation Upon his "logical sense" under the impression you were on and state you were in makes no sense. Tracing this back to the forum rules(which you created) we can conclude you were breaking the very first one (you) listed which (you) put above the forum posting block. Contradiction at its finest.

Are you sure Mewn?

@Kitkit
I never insulted Jamal, I was talking about his maps just like he was about mine, like I said your point is invalid. Both of us went at each others creations and not each other. I like how you're trying to traffic the reason of all of this happening on me to make me look bad when Jamal did the exact same thing and he's the one who started it.
I mean it's quite clear but yet you seem to not understand it, which is fine cause you're still a young lad trying to grow up and learn how the world works.
I don't hold grudges against people, but when people start to shit talk first and I get the blame for it, it's pretty funny because I know who's in the right or wrong, and let me tell you you're in the wrong.

@[deleted]
If the community wants a v2 then it's quite clear that I have to be back on the DEV team sooner or later, what's the point of stretching it out till later when all of this can be handled now. In my eyes, it's pretty simple, if I get DEV, v2 is on the way, if I don't have DEV, why would I develop v2 for a community who don't recognise me as a member of that team.
Let's take a real world example, if I was a bin man, I would collect bins, if I weren't a bin man, why would I ever collect bins?

@[deleted]
Telling a young person that he doesn't understand how this works isn't hatred towards another member, I'm simply stating the fact that he is in the wrong and therefore what he is saying has no logical sense as he is contradicting himself. I'm trying to make sure he understands what is actually going on and who is in the wrong and the right.
We're both wrong for going at each other indeed, however starting the "fight" doesn't help either, I would never personally attack Jamal or his creations on the forums unless he did it first just for no reason.

King of KFC Jamal wrote

Are you sure Mewn?

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I didn't have the 33 on hand and it was the last payment to get the map completed, but why all of the freaking out over 33 dollars? I had invested over 100+ dollars from my own pocket to save the community money. Why overlook that? Jamal it is clear that you are upset and straight up lashing out at everyone for no good reason. All XanX wants is to develop V2 because all of the community wants it, and to ask for a developer tag to develop is very reasonable. If it makes you feel any better I'll donate that 33 dollars back into the community just so you can stop bitching about how I choose to allocate the funds. I'd say I'm more fair with the money moonshade possesses than any other owner I've seen. I haven't spent a dime on myself, and for you to post a screenshot of an ancient transaction to pay for the map completion is downright insulting.

You know what is insulting? Splitting the community in half in favor of business gain.

I'd rather keep the community together and keep suffering than split it up EVEN MORE than it currently is. It's as sad as politics 'tbh'

Mewn wrote

King of KFC Jamal wrote

Are you sure Mewn?

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I didn't have the 33 on hand and it was the last payment to get the map completed, but why all of the freaking out over 33 dollars? I had invested over 100+ dollars from my own pocket to save the community money. Why overlook that? Jamal it is clear that you are upset and straight up lashing out at everyone for no good reason. All XanX wants is to develop V2 because all of the community wants it, and to ask for a developer tag to develop is very reasonable. If it makes you feel any better I'll donate that 33 dollars back into the community just so you can stop bitching about how I choose to allocate the funds. I'd say I'm more fair with the money moonshade possesses than any other owner I've seen. I haven't spent a dime on myself, and for you to post a screenshot of an ancient transaction to pay for the map completion is downright insulting.

Lashing at everyone >Just 2 people
Bitching about your funds >Proving my point that you tried to overlook it
You both will just off Moonshade pretty soon, seeing the bias relationship you two have together. This isn't going to help Moonshade at all, it will put the server back to the state it was back when the first version was released. Which was dead, since Ion's poorly optimized map crashed the server and ate the shit outta entities to a point when players couldn't join because of an existing error of entities being reached.

@[deleted]
In favour of business again? who said anything about money...

@Jamal
If the reason for you not wanting a v2 of the map is because of poor optimisation which is true, wouldn't v2 try and fix those issues you're talking about? I mean that's the reason I want to make a v2, so it's more optimised and even better than before.

King of KFC Jamal wrote

Mewn wrote

King of KFC Jamal wrote

Are you sure Mewn?

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I didn't have the 33 on hand and it was the last payment to get the map completed, but why all of the freaking out over 33 dollars? I had invested over 100+ dollars from my own pocket to save the community money. Why overlook that? Jamal it is clear that you are upset and straight up lashing out at everyone for no good reason. All XanX wants is to develop V2 because all of the community wants it, and to ask for a developer tag to develop is very reasonable. If it makes you feel any better I'll donate that 33 dollars back into the community just so you can stop bitching about how I choose to allocate the funds. I'd say I'm more fair with the money moonshade possesses than any other owner I've seen. I haven't spent a dime on myself, and for you to post a screenshot of an ancient transaction to pay for the map completion is downright insulting.

Lashing at everyone >Just 2 people
Bitching about your funds >Proving my point that you tried to overlook it
You both will just off Moonshade pretty soon, seeing the bias relationship you two have together. This isn't going to help Moonshade at all, it will put the server back to the state it was back when the first version was released. Which was dead, since Ion's poorly optimized map crashed the server and ate the shit outta entities to a point when players couldn't join because of an existing error of entities being reached.

Jamal, you're over exaggerating. You're mindset is still in the past based on what you're saying right now. If you were basing your logic on the present you would understand that the entity problem has been fixed. The map crashing was caused by that discombobulated prop in the server, which was fixed, and the V2 is going to be more optimized. We don't have map crashes anymore because we fixed that prop... where are you getting any of this??? and my relationship with XanX??? I think you're just upset that I paid him period to be honest. and yes I will call it lashing out, as soon as anything was posted you just started typing insults which is extremely unprofessional. I'm not defending Xanx, because he did it right back, but you started ALL of this shit.

and ">Bitching about your funds >Proving my point that you tried to overlook it"
what the hell man? I told you I forgot because that amount is so fucking small and in September of 2015 to boot. saying I "tried to overlook it" is just blatant you are trying to paint me in a negative light.

After Westfield released we stomped out the entirety of immortal RP. The "state it was when the first version was released" was because we were having the economy reset right before the map was released, and when it did release we got all of our players back. The bad state that followed was because of the prop, like I had stated before, which has, again, already been fixed.

myback wrote

You know what is insulting? Splitting the community in half in favor of business gain.

I'd rather keep the community together and keep suffering than split it up EVEN MORE than it currently is. It's as sad as politics 'tbh'

business has nothing to do with it. The community wants a v2 and XanX wants to do it for free.

Jamal is the one trying to suppress what the community wants, and that is why I'm defending it because the vote was overwhelming in the creation of a V2.

Like I told you on TS, Mewn, do whatever you want. I still going to fight this. I don't want to see the community and server take anymore blows from drama and people within them.

King of KFC Jamal wrote

Like I told you on TS, Mewn, do whatever you want. I still going to fight this. I don't want to see the community and server take anymore blows from drama and people within them.

Then maybe you shouldn't start the drama, and instead reply to the points I've made.

Sheckles | GET BEANED wrote

[font=comic sans ms]hey guys sheckles here with the new drama stopping machine!
in this new machine, i tell you guys that xanx can make the map all he wants and jamal can complain all he wants

then

mewn and myback can ultimately decide if they want to use the map!!
woah![/font]

Sorry, I am being a child. I can't tell with your meme san if you are being serious or not.

Mewn wrote

King of KFC Jamal wrote

Like I told you on TS, Mewn, do whatever you want. I still going to fight this. I don't want to see the community and server take anymore blows from drama and people within them.

Then maybe you shouldn't start the drama, and instead reply to the points I've made.

To clarify, XanX was the one who started the drama. He manipulated CoalWorker to post a thread to not only force me to put him back as developer status but also to OVERhype this little new version of the map we're using. You want to kill the RP server again, that's your call.

Overdramatizing assholes.

King of KFC Jamal wrote

Sorry, I am being a child. I can't tell with your meme san if you are being serious or not.

He would neither be admin nor forum moderator if he was serious. Just look at the crappy comic sans and huge size he's using. He meant to say "mewn and xanx can ultimately decide if they want to use the map!!"

myback wrote

Mewn wrote

King of KFC Jamal wrote

Like I told you on TS, Mewn, do whatever you want. I still going to fight this. I don't want to see the community and server take anymore blows from drama and people within them.

Then maybe you shouldn't start the drama, and instead reply to the points I've made.

To clarify, XanX was the one who started the drama. He manipulated CoalWorker to post a thread to not only force me to put him back as developer status but also to OVERhype this little new version of the map we're using. You want to kill the RP server again, that's your call.

Overdramatizing assholes.

King of KFC Jamal wrote

Sorry, I am being a child. I can't tell with your meme san if you are being serious or not.

He would neither be admin nor forum moderator if he was serious. Just look at the crappy comic sans and huge size he's using. He meant to say "mewn and xanx can ultimately decide if they want to use the map!!"

We ahould have a community pole on if xanx gets dev and makes the map and screw the map and xanx I value the server more.

myback wrote

Mewn wrote

King of KFC Jamal wrote

Like I told you on TS, Mewn, do whatever you want. I still going to fight this. I don't want to see the community and server take anymore blows from drama and people within them.

Then maybe you shouldn't start the drama, and instead reply to the points I've made.

To clarify, XanX was the one who started the drama. He manipulated CoalWorker to post a thread to not only force me to put him back as developer status but also to OVERhype this little new version of the map we're using. You want to kill the RP server again, that's your call.

Overdramatizing assholes.

King of KFC Jamal wrote

Sorry, I am being a child. I can't tell with your meme san if you are being serious or not.

He would neither be admin nor forum moderator if he was serious. Just look at the crappy comic sans and huge size he's using. He meant to say "mewn and xanx can ultimately decide if they want to use the map!!"

He made a proposition. He didn't force anything, and you still don't have to accept it myback. It was a simple request, not a play of drama. As soon as it was posted, Jamal came in with an insult and an immediate uncivilized way of retaliating against the situation, which is what in fact caused the drama.

STOP THIS FUCKING CANCEROUS SHIT RIGHT THE FUCK NOW
ok yall im getting really tired of this shit if yall dont like what i have to say...IDGAF

Xanx- you were removed from power when it all went you your head and you turned into a power hungry jackass, If you want to earn our trust again make the V2 and present it to the admins and we will decide what to do with it

Mewn- Listen buddy i know you have shit outside moonshade, we all do. dont act like getting on is a huge waste of your time because thats what it sounds like. we like you mewn we just would like to see you more also your kinda being a douche right now. your feeding the drama you want to stop

Coalworker- If Xanx wanted something on forms he should have posted it not drag you into it, please dont encourage others use you for shit like this.

Sheckles- your onto a good idea and i like it

Crocker-i value your idea of a vote... but no....just no

Brushy says SUCK A DICK EVERYONE idk why he asked me to do that.

Honestly i want every ones voice to be heard but if yall wanna go head to head do it off of the forms

Never abused admin in order to get myself removed. Never did power hit my head, people over-exaggerate so much in this community to the point where lies becomes what the people believe in. Hoping on the bandwagon like crazy. Why would I get myself removed on purpose if I only just got admin after a year long fight to get it? It doesn't add up does it?

I'm not here to argue, I'm here to develop, I'm in no position of power what so ever and nor will I apply for such until clarity has been put into place to clear my past of all that is unholy, however people will never listen and people will keep a grudge against me for doing something I never did.

[size=18pt]Okay you know what, fuck this
After reading everything over and actually reading this entire post i actually understand it. Xanx, making coal post this for you isnt very nice thats making 10 people spam myback and having another 10 jumping in on this thread spreading salt, drama, and unnecessary heat. You can fucking make westfield all you want and have that pink tag under your name, but that doesnt mean your map is going anywhere. Jamal has been here from the start and is still here, porting, creating, either way its literally a playable map, it works, one took like 8 months, the other took a few weeks and still was just as nice. Honestly fuck you if you are going to come back here, tell jamal he is a thief, and then continue to want to develop a map that has no gaurentee to go anywhere, just people jumping on the wagon. This literally split everyone in the middle... again mewn VS Mybac, jamal, (and now me). And then theres deadpool in the middle of the mortar craters.

Go fucking split a community in half somewhere else

Church wrote

STOP THIS FUCKING CANCEROUS SHIT RIGHT THE FUCK NOW
ok yall im getting really tired of this shit if yall dont like what i have to say...IDGAF

Mewn- Listen buddy i know you have shit outside moonshade, we all do. dont act like getting on is a huge waste of your time because thats what it sounds like. we like you mewn we just would like to see you more also your kinda being a douche right now. your feeding the drama you want to stop

I'll message you on steam and talk to you, though I think this is just some kind of spite you have with me, I'll try and get to the bottom of it.

Also, everyone else, please explain to me why this is a bad thing.

XanX wants to make a V2 of Westfield for FREE, which 19 of 20 of you voted YES for. I am trying to uphold this decision, but instead I'm getting shit on by you guys.

I'm trying to do what MoonShade was founded on to being with, and get the community what it wants.

I understand that people are concerned with XanX wanting power, but he just wants his dev rank back, which isn't a position anyone answers to. He is literally going to do what the tag says and DEVELOP. Unlike any of the other devs we've hired on aside from Jamal, Myback, and myself. If he starts demanding power then the proof is in the pudding, and he won't develop for us anymore.

BUT, like I said, I'm for the community so if you guys don't want him to make V2 for you for whatever reason then I'll back that decision.

Just to clarify all of the lies again exaggeration again...
Never made or forced Coal to post anything, all I said was, "Get this message to MyBack by posting it on the forums or PMing him if you want" Coal asked if he should do it and I responded with if you WANT, yes.
Why are you making up lies about me forcing him to do so?

I'm not splitting up this community, why are you accusing me of doing something I'm not doing and of something that's not actually happening, again over-exaggerating?

Personally if XanX wants to make a new map and he is taking his own time out of his day to do it, just let him do it stop complaining.

Ps: all these colors, bold, and caps is giving headaches. It's really not necessary.