Becoming admin changes people, so we cannot just have anyone get it, even if they deserve it.

MattSriel wrote

Hey guys i had a question. Can we do a Admin purge cause i see there are alot of inactive admins and i think that the rule where you should get Myback's permission to apply is a good one but people who deserve like Madimir ETC should at least have a spot that they can know is there to go for. I'm just saying that people that are on the server that know the rules and are actually active (as well as deserve it) should be able to go for admin. Thanks for you time - Matt

Sorry, I did my part trying to get rid and approve new admins, but it gets turned down by MyBack. He's the only barrier preventing this. Apparently "Head Admin" doesn't really mean "Head of all the admins" to MyBack.

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So, we are here. We are to the point where desperation for that tasty powerful rank has overcome. The conflict of power is always strong within the guidelines of sociology from what I have learned in that class thus far, and it is everywhere. I would like to come from mybacks perspective, or as some call it the devils advocate, however I do not find it the case.

The struggle for the want to be an admin is most definitely real, and I know in my days of gmod I always wanted to be the admin. However its not just any position. This position is extremely delicate in saying that if someone who was naive or powerhungry internally, got their hands on this rank they could possibly take it for granted or abuse it. Yes it remains true that in depth interviews are done, but think of many of the people we all thought we trusted and then things went to shit. You can never be too careful. Now I am going to offend people possibly and apologies in advance, but a lot of the applicants are younger teens or children. I was surprised I got admin in gmod twice but times were different in 2013 and gmod is so large that servers vary in flexibility. However this server is "one" of the only rp servers around for many to join in CS:GO and it just would be unhealthy to give someone whoms brain capacity is not near adult ideals and concepts in the development standpoint. Being that open about admins would also give the impression anyone could do it. Its not about hour amounts, its not about that you care for the server solely. Keyword in bold there because caring for the server is a big part of it , but it is not JUST that. Its the experience and understanding of the server as a whole and the want to manage and enjoy the game with other players. Its not about being the top dog though, this isn't high school. Look, I understand that inactive admins is a possible issues. However our ACTIVE admins right now will figure out other manners to sort this issue. One of the big keys is quantity VS. quality. Yes you could have 50 different admins but that doesn't mean every one of them is perfect. It would be mere impossible for myback and the other higher ups to manage that. Its good to have good long time known quality admins. Now don't get me wrong, you are all good people, but unless you show the skills and leadership necessary to the higher ups, then it shouldn't be for everyone. Having less of what isn't broken is better than having a ton of broken things. It takes a long time to establish trust in people, and sometimes we all run the risk of trusting too much to where it bites us in the ass. I am absolutely sure myback has had that experience just due to how many people have gone far in violating that trust. I have heard some of the stories but not all. I know there are more and if we want stories, we should hope for good ones like me and brushys wedding. Not some dude who we just hired completely destroying the framework that is the server and our community. We are supposed to be together as one and have fun roleplaying or in many peoples cases shooting each other. Whatever it may be, the point is, we should not just jump the gone and demote a bunch of admins just due to inactivity. While it could be an issue in the means of less staff on bigger days, that occurs rarely and we usually have at least one active admin. Even if Earth is afk most of the time, he still may be on steam or teamspeak, same for myback. The fact of the matter is you can't just hire anyone, and you can't expect the community to owe you a rank up cause you had "good behavior" or "caring about the community". We need to get real here people, we need people for admin that we know can be a real admin here. I may have been an admin on prior servers but you don't see me siding with all you guys. The reason for that is because I know that I would do a terrible job as admin. I used to play with it like a toy, when really its a responsibility, a job. Playing with it once in a blue moon, fine whatever. However, when admin becomes a toy that you can play with and manipulate, thats when it goes too far. We don't want to risk that mindset among people that just want to be admin. I know this was a hefty bunch of words and there is probably more I can say, but I don't want to lose myself so I will make a closing statement.

Point is kiddos, this isn't something you do. Its something you earn. They don't need to give you that rank because you played the server for 700 hours or you donated. They don't, you need to earn respect, trust and right to be in that position! Thank you.

P.S. #madimirNOTFORADMIN2016. No offense babe, but I haven't seen any signs of you being one of the admins. I love ya though, your good people.

All of you guys are fucking kiss ass cancer fucking people I'm starting to hate most of you with this Madimir for admin shit. It's been final we arent looking for admin just fucking stop already

Biscuit093? | ???????? wrote

All of you guys are fucking kiss ass cancer fucking people I'm starting to hate most of you with this Madimir for admin shit. It's been final we arent looking for admin just fucking stop already

i started it as a joke and then it went to far

Madimir wrote

Biscuit093? | ???????? wrote

All of you guys are fucking kiss ass cancer fucking people I'm starting to hate most of you with this Madimir for admin shit. It's been final we arent looking for admin just fucking stop already

i started it as a joke and then it went to far

And now people are taking it seriously and making threads such as this. Now I'm the devil's advocate. Way to criminalize me, everyone!

I was going to post a video joking about this subject but it turns out I was using shareware to edit the video. If this thread gets any more popular, I will be forced to learn Adobe Premiere, post the video, lock the topic, and dump it into the trash, decreasing everyone's post count gained in this topic.

myback wrote

Madimir wrote

Biscuit093? | ???????? wrote

All of you guys are fucking kiss ass cancer fucking people I'm starting to hate most of you with this Madimir for admin shit. It's been final we arent looking for admin just fucking stop already

i started it as a joke and then it went to far

And now people are taking it seriously and making threads such as this. Now I'm the devil's advocate. Way to criminalize me, everyone!

I was going to post a video joking about this subject but it turns out I was using shareware to edit the video. If this thread gets any more popular, I will be forced to learn Adobe Premiere, post the video, lock the topic, and dump it into the trash, decreasing everyone's post count gained in this topic.

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Apologies. I didn't know if my two sense would matter. I just wanted to make sure you weren't they only one against this. Was intending on an act of kindness but I think I made biscuitt hate me.

No, you did good.

MattSriel wrote

Shiba wrote

Mat u really want admin dont ya xD

I really want NEW admins

Admin team is doing a great job. New doesn't always mean better.

Removed some posts since they are not clearly adding or introducing anything to the thread.

The admin team is okay

there are some really good admins and then there're the whatever ones

my only complaint is that some are really inactive

However this is my opinion I don't really think there needs to be a purge.

Ive been here for a couple of months now, I dont know how hard it is for most of you guys to understand that getting new admins isnt a thing of just asking for it. Like myback and others have said admins have to be hand picked to ensure they are the best they can be. IDC what any of you guys say im backing myback on this subject.

not being a suck up its just common sense

Denny wrote

Ive been here for a couple of months now, I dont know how hard it is for most of you guys to understand that getting new admins isnt a thing of just asking for it. Like myback and others have said admins have to be hand picked to ensure they are the best they can be. IDC what any of you guys say im backing myback on this subject.

not being a suck up its just common sense

You and myback are right we have decent admins right now

And we do indeed benefit from the current admins

and like any person on the planet they make mistakes

I withdraw whatever I have said in the past about certain admins being bad

Patrick J Fox wrote

Denny wrote

Ive been here for a couple of months now, I dont know how hard it is for most of you guys to understand that getting new admins isnt a thing of just asking for it. Like myback and others have said admins have to be hand picked to ensure they are the best they can be. IDC what any of you guys say im backing myback on this subject.

not being a suck up its just common sense

You and myback are right we have decent admins right now

And we do indeed benefit from the current admins

and like any person on the planet they make mistakes

I withdraw whatever I have said in the past about certain admins being bad

Yay let's all be friends

Regardless if we remove inactive admins or not, it won't increase your chances of getting admin since the "Active" admins are still effectively carrying the workload an therefore applications will remain irrelevant. This type of admin role you're all talking about, is not a goal you players should strive for since you are still "players". Some of our admins can still function while some what enjoying role playing, but the worst ones are those that collide their admin powers with it. An informative player is one thing, an informative community member is another. You're an admin to help balance the world, and as long as we have overall tranquility, the individual admin doesn't exist. If you think you deserve admin over another who has earned that right, you're doing something wrong.

I would post a really long and complicated thread with reasons to support allowing admins, but it would end up getting deleted by myback or edited by someone, oh well...

Edit: I am going to leave the top part there, but i actually will do a paragraph or 2.

First off, what server actually does not allow applications? The servers myback and I and jamal came from all had admin applications, same with density, in fact density applied to one of mybacks old servers (which is no longer active). Myback and I both applied on the same server, with me applying a year before him, to a server called Area 51. This is where myback and I met, i stayed admin there for 3 years 2011 to 2014, and eventually resigned due to drama within the admin community, Myback stayed for a little while longer, maybe 4 years, While i was admin on Area 51 i learned a lot from the owners, how they run there servers in a strict manner with a decent amount of slack, when i see moonshade i see lack of strictness and all slack, keep in mind the slack i am talking about is not laziness it is less than 5 percent do their job, which is indeed admining. While 5% is an astonishing number and sounds somewhat great, in reality i would say 60% of players have problems atleast once a week, leaving the 5% of admins who play and deserve it to deal with the slack of other admins. Jamal and Razor definitely help out a lot. both of them need to since they are some of the highest ranking admins, Earth plays a lot and also contributes to the fire of the 5% as far as everyone else, i see them help maybe once every 2 weeks, this is considered slack.

I personally left the admin community of moonshade through removal of admin, AKA getting my admin forcibly removed by getting uberkist upset which he then called a vote for my removal, turns out uberkist was the shittiest admin i have seen, i got a lot of the people on the admin team their position, it probably excludes 4 or 5 but the rest definitely had my input handed directly to myback. A lot of my picks are either inactive now, or just quit due to the same reason i left, because of all the bullshit that goes on in the admin team. I thank the people who actually do suppress issues of petty squabble. Earth, Razor, Jamal by far are the ones i most thank.

So i typed all that to say the admin team is shit, they complain a lot, argue, generally do not know how to go about punishment, so if you still want to be apart of that go ahead, be my guest, leave like the others, it just makes room for new members for moonshade.