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RAINBOW BRIDGE IS THAT YOU? MY DAD HAVE YOU RETURNED

Well, the 20mil isn't as special anymore, now anyone can just surf up to the top of the bank...

gg

meh, still cool.

I don't agree with how the surf implementation was introduced as a way to make getting on top of the bank accessible to everyone.

Yes Vic made some compelling arguments, but the only reason that the 20mil was set at such a high price was solely because of the teleporter. Knowing the perks of the teleporter is what pushed many people to help grind for months to amass 20mil to purchase the place; only to find out that instead, the teleporter will be made accessible to the public because of a complaint.

Now don't get me wrong, I know that limited access to the top of the bank frustrated many people. Knowing this type of backlash would occur, I opened the 20mil with the option to buy keys for 1mil, which would give you access to the main door and the bathroom, where the teleporter is located. Now the perks of buying keys for 1mil include having a safe place to farm with over 3,000 locks, connections to many of the older players, etc. A reply to this was that 1mil was too much money and no one had that kind of money. To which I simply reply, everyone starts off in this map with the same balance in their bank. Crying because you don't want to take the time to make that money when the very people that contributed to buying the 20mil had to farm for months. IF I had refused to sell keys for access to the teleporter, I would fully understand the need to implement another way to get to the roof; however, I have proven to be more than lenient when selling keys, as I am comfortable bargaining to lower the price depending on the financial situation of the player.

If it really comes down to not wanting to spend money to buy keys to get access to one of the safest places on the map, there are indeed other ways to get to the top of the bank without using the teleporter. All you would have to do is make the jump from the police station. So to those that whined about how it's impossible to get on top of the bank without the teleporter, I honestly don't know what to tell you.

I mean had one of the admins come to me to discuss the complaints my 20mil was receiving, I would have been more than glad to talk about it and discuss possible solutions (Lower the price for keys, etc) But frankly, coming onto the server to find that an easy way to hop on top of the bank had already been implemented can give off the strong impression that no one really gives a shit about the work me and other players put in to buy the 20mil. I feel like the person that bought the 20mil should have had a say in the way this whole situation was handled. If I were to sell the 20mil, everything would be open to the public and the surf implementation would hold little purpose, other than getting to the roof a little faster, feels like that's what this whole thing was intended to do.

Btw, idk what it is but every time I rename my door with html tags, the whole thing on every one of my doors always disappear, making me redo it essentially every time I connect to the server. And the sizing on every door in the 20mil except the main door is messed up so you can see through the cracks into the other rooms, if these can be fixed plox

I paid about 2million dollars to get keys to the 20mill and I dont even farm there, but I just did that to get easy access to the top of the bank because its fun
AND NOW U MAKE EVERY1 ABLE TO GET UP THERE BRUH. Now people can just camp the top of the bank and kill us when we come out, also not trying to be mean or anything but it looks kinda retarted sitting up there. Myback why did you put that there. Whyyy

You know, its a shame. I joined this server to roleplay. I can understand that work needs to be put in for money, but I did not come here to play farming simulator. It is not hard to occasionally pick up cactus plants or counterfeited money and take it to the bank/drug dealer. I joined this server to play it, not sit afk 99.9% of the time. In case you didn't know, I am the one who "cried" about the fact that having a teleporter that was accessible by spending countless hours barely playing the server to access a teleporter. Something like that should be highly secretive and maybe have some kind of puzzle mechanic. Hit this button and this button at the same time to open the door you know? I absolutely know that is doable considering portal 2 has buttons that work like that in coop. Referring back to the farming simulator comment I made, I could easily turn on netflix and check every once and awhile and farm. Instead of playing CS:GO rp I am playing "Press a few buttons and watch netflix". To go on with the roof itself, the cops have zero access for cuffs. Cops need to cuff, that was one of their set goals? Or is that not allowed cause you cannot level up your stat trak? On top of that, some people really don't want to die. Peace is an option. There was an experience where everyone was on the roof rdming. They did not have over 2500 crime so I could not kickdoor. Concerning the public/newer players, no one wants to pay 20mil for keys. New players may want to go there. However, with Veterans on the roof shooting them and they have no access it is extremely unfair to them. Users like myself want to play this gamemode, not farm in it. Mark me on contradictions or missed points if you feel so inclined. Also here are games for those who love farming so much:

Farm Simulator: http://store.steampowered.com/app/313160/
Farmville: https://www.zynga.com/games/farmville

My final notes go as followed. I want to see a rolePLAY server like many people. Not a roleFARM server. Surfing is a difficult task, not everyone can do it but once it is possible, the reward is a roof. Sort of similar to that puzzle comparison. All I know is, click those links for more information on farming experiences. Hell! I will go a step further, here is a link to an agricultural school:
College of Agricultural Science:
http://agsci.colostate.edu/

Make it harder to get to the roof, like really hard. Because it's way to easy to get up there now and it's point less

@joker way easier for people who can surf, unless you can climb atop the surfing platform which myback can easily fix.

Guess what by the way? To make it harder, simply remove all that shit. You would be going in a loop back to the same problem. It is way hard to generate 20mil without farming. Either the door to the teleporter should be public, or not be there in the first place. Surfing is not easy for people, especially newer people to the server. Can't make it any harder unless you revert to the same problem.

@Underwater Also, to respond to UnderWater, you did this for you. The tele. I am only speculating mind you, but you did this for possibly an advantage. You implemented that (or whoever made the map) for the personal benefit of going somewhere barely anyone can. The problem is, there is already an area for that called VIP. Not any random player can enter that vault of an area. It could even be considered safer. This is just talking about the terms of wanting it for personal uses/needs rather than player wants and things to see. Mind you, this is speculation. I don't have a path to your brain where I read thoughts. It is just something I considered whilst writing this. No facts or evidence needed for speculation, because it is just speculation.

I do not care how much anyone complains that I go on, I am not just here to do what pleases the admins, but what pleases the players. The server does get toxic at times with newcomers and communication, but that is the internet. I just want to do what I feel is right and speak up. I also don't care if its a fucking video game. This is a whole different world with different ideals. I would at least like to bring logical good ideals into the fate of this server. Hours don't depend on you being a noob by the way. Owning a server and admining several times on Garry's Mod servers is a good heap of experience. ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING I OWNED AN RP SERVER! If you want proof of my server, find my old group on my profile known as Rattlehead RP. It has since been shut down due to shitty internet, but whatever. I will not be made a mockery by someone just because they are an admin. I am not one to want to always be right, I make mistakes and I understand that I can be wrong. I am a scatterbrain. However, when something simple like this happens and erupts due to me or whoever, I will fight back with as much logic and reasoning as I can. If I lose, oh well. We move on and deal with what we got. I will not leave this virtual battlefield cause it is an advantage to others except me. That is extremely exploitative. I would also like to mention one thing: respect your leader(myback) and his decisions. One click and he can make your experience hell lemme tell ya.

To close off AGAIN, I do not care how off topic you will claim me to be or whatever. I am just tired of exploitative nonsense like this. It almost feels petty how this has played out. Someone has a legit complaint and then the dev gets made and argues against it. Ban me, ridicule me, correct me, or even mute me. I am here to enjoy this server and do what I can to make it enjoyable for others as much if not more. If you wanna call me riding mybacks dick whatever dude. Just know, /selfmute won't be that hard.

My last bit here:

"A reply to this was that 1mil was too much money and no one had that kind of money. To which I simply reply, everyone starts off in this map with the same balance in their bank. Crying because you don't want to take the time to make that money when the very people that contributed to buying the 20mil had to farm for months."

This is a roleplay server. Not this:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/313160/?snr=1_7_7_151_150_1
http://store.steampowered.com/app/313160/?snr=1_7_7_151_150_1
http://store.steampowered.com/app/313160/?snr=1_7_7_151_150_1
http://store.steampowered.com/app/313160/?snr=1_7_7_151_150_1

No one wants to sit there and farm 1mil. Not even 100,000k

Sitting there for days on end in a game doing nothing is wasted time. The argument of "Oh well you can do other things being afk" takes away your goal of farming. Who will be there to cash in the money? Who will be there to get those grams of drugs? Oh wait, you wanted to go to your friends house for a few hours? Your computer is a desktop that you don't want to move? You don't have a laptop? Your friend doesn't have CS:GO? Well you cannot farm then can't you? I certainly know when I play a game, I play it. Go click on those links if farming is truly your vision.

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Vic Rattlehead wrote

I joined this server to roleplay. I can understand that work needs to be put in for money, but I did not come here to play farming simulator. It is not hard to occasionally pick up cactus plants or counterfeited money and take it to the bank/drug dealer. I joined this server to play it, not sit afk 99.9% of the time.

No one said anything about not letting you roleplay lol. "Farming" doesn't simply have to be sitting in your room just repetitively planting drugs... I farm all the time while still running around the map talking to other people. It's as you said so yourself, "It is not hard to occasionally pick up cactus plants or counterfeited money and take it to the bank/drug dealer." Because that's exactly what I do when i'm on the server, unless I have some work to take care of, in which case, yes, I will stay in my place and farm while working on my shit.

Vic Rattlehead wrote

Something like that should be highly secretive and maybe have some kind of puzzle mechanic. Hit this button and this button at the same time to open the door you know?

Yes, we know exactly what you're talking about because we had the same thing incorporated in one of the 7.5mil castles back on Mittlefans but none of us had a say in this current map, City45, because the set up was done strictly by myback and jamal. Maybe listen to what you said about myback and "Respect his decisions" because they were the ones who decided to put that teleporter there in the first place? idk.

Vic Rattlehead wrote

Concerning the public/newer players, no one wants to pay 20mil for keys.

Correction, I was the only one to ever pay 20mil for keys. Keys can be bought for 1mil but have gone as low as 150k for access #liberalAF

Vic Rattlehead wrote

My final notes go as followed. I want to see a rolePLAY server like many people. Not a roleFARM server.

Again, i'm not saying that i'm strictly trying to make this a "roleFARM" server. I'm saying that people have been farming since the day this moonshade was introduced to the public... They introduced jobs to generate currency and implemented said currency to build all maps on a sturdy foundation. With money, you can more actively "rolePLAY" aka buying guns, doorhacks, houses, food, alcohol, buying keys to teleporter to rolePLAY. No one is forced to farm for their whole duration of time spent on the server, simply put, wanting to have fun and roleplay costs money anyways, doesn't have to be extreme farming, can just be occasionally picking up drugs and printers to make a steady flow of $.

Vic Rattlehead wrote

Guess what by the way? To make it harder, simply remove all that shit. You would be going in a loop back to the same problem. It is way hard to generate 20mil without farming. Either the door to the teleporter should be public, or not be there in the first place.

That would undermine everyones effort in farming to reach the 20mil. Imagine looking forward to reaching a united 20mil with other players to buy this remarkable place only to find out that some people want it to be taken away. All the hard work many people put in. People that didn't mind farming because we had the same goal: purchase the 20mil with the teleporter. Without that teleporter, the place I currently own would be nowhere near 20mil, as it would be a trap in itself to even try farming there (go thru 4 flights of stairs to get out the building)

Vic Rattlehead wrote

@Underwater Also, to respond to UnderWater, you did this for you. The tele. I am only speculating mind you, but you did this for possibly an advantage. You implemented that (or whoever made the map) for the personal benefit of going somewhere barely anyone can.

I'm going to be brutally honest. Yes. I know of the advantages of the 20mil teleporter. IT'S THE ONLY REASON IT COSTS 20MIL. I didn't do this for "possibly an advantage." I DEFINITELY bought the 20mil for exactly that advantage. That advantage costs 20mil and I worked fuckin hard for it. So yes, when some niggas come talkin bout how it ain't unfair or how it's not accessible(which it is), it's also unfair for my dedication to this server to be undermined and shat on.

Vic Rattlehead wrote

I will not be made a mockery by someone just because they are an admin.

Don't get the wrong idea, i'm not trying to make a mockery of you and anyone as an admin. My voice as admin will remain unbiased. I'm replying on this as the dude that owns the 20mil. I don't have shit against you or anyone, i'm just trying to defend the process many of us went through to get to where we are.

I honestly don't know what to say because it seems pretty clear that a decision has been made & it's going to stay, and because most things I want to say are already said and/or obvious but I'll just stick my 2 cents in I guess.

But why else would that place ever cost 20mil? Simply because the teleporter. Through all of these complaints about the teleporter, I've yet to see someone say "it's so OP because they can just drop to the drug dealer and quickly into the bank!" because sure the teleporter helps but it doesn't turn the runs into cake at all. It's all about the people who own it being able to get up there and RDM, which I agree can be very annoying, but we didn't have this sort of attitude back in the Mittlefans days where a fuckin' 7.5mil had several movable, one-way bangable windows, one of which having a fully textured side so you couldn't see where you were being killed from, and more room than the factory... and we had at least 3x more players on regularly. I remember complaining constantly about this and nothing was done. I was usually met with "windows aren't bangable" and I even tested it in front of Jamal once and all I got was "oh, so it is bangable.". Just kinda wish we had this attitude back then.

Anyways, so yeah people's issue with it was the rdm but has anyone else been on since this bridge has been formed? RDM is through the roof now (literally) because everyone can get there. We wanted to cut down on rdm and scaring players away but instead we gave them all an easier way to do it. If people with access RDMing was really a problem, I think confronting the owner of the 20mil for other solutions would have been easier and more effective. For example, we don't even like TJ so his keys are gone as soon as it's possible and Pikachu isn't even on much anymore, but we still could have asked Pikachu and Biscuitt to stop and not use the roof for that anymore, and if they didn't listen, boom goes their keys. And when Underwater sells the 20mil when he gets on, all that shit in the sky will be pointless and look hilarious because people can now use the teleporter.

That's... kind of all I have want to say. I knew this would happen the day that Biscuitt and his irl buddies kept going up there to RDM. I kept on locking the doors, didn't realize he had keys, so I asked him repeatedly to stop and well I was ignored. I just had a feeling. Surely enough, someone (Vic) eventually started complaining about it like I predicted and here we are with Inferno blocks in the sky which probably will just be removed once the 20mil is sold since there's no other reason it has to be there.

I really do appreciate what you do for the server and I don't mean to sound rude or anything. Most admins or server owners wouldn't even bother trying to make changes for the next generation, and especially not even bother opening a topic to hear others out. Although I think this specific solution is LAME, I'll just have to roll with it and not use the 20mil anymore. To be honest, the 20mil shouldn't cost anywhere near 20mil now though.

Solution:
Tell the complaining players that if they dint want to grind to the degree underwater does/did to fuck off as if he cab afford it, he can, and if they complain about it, tell them to grind mote like underwater.

If you are going ti bitch about sonething you dont have because you dont want to reciprocate the countless nights and days of farming, you cant complain about it

Didn't myback just say to stop commenting about the farming?

Another thing, don't go calling someone with a genuine complaint a bitch okay? That is an extremely immature way of handling a situation. If you want to get something done, give more logic and reasoning and be respectful. Don't be five, thanks.

Well underwater, it sounds to me that all you think roleplaying is, is buying things and using your mic occasionally? I can go make you your very own buy things rp server. All you do is buy things!
Also:
"Maybe listen to what you said about myback and "Respect his decisions" because they were the ones who decided to put that teleporter there in the first place? idk."

Myback has told me several times that jamal did that without mybacks consent. Don't believe me? Ask myback. So it was never mybacks decision in the first place.

To add on, you are using the word "grind" which is basically the same concept as farming. However, let me tell a story:
Once upon a time, I was on the server being my crazy goofy self. With an odd accent I got half the server to follow me and roleplay in a hotel. I was the hotel owner and they were my staff. We went from one building, to the next and eventually we owned a cafe. I gotta say, that day was probably the best I have ever seen on that server. It felt like a roleplay when I was going around actually pretending to be something and communicate with others as if we were actually playing roles as funny store/hotel owners and workers. Did we need to sit there and farm and talk about why my knife is so shiny? No. Did I need to buy my fun? No, we didn't even own any of the buildings we played in. I do not believe to truly enjoy this server you need to grind. Going on the roof for 1mil and rdming people is douchy as hell, when considering others cannot get up there including cops who need cuffs to play their job!

Nice contradictions by the way: "That would undermine everyones effort in farming to reach the 20mil"
"It is not hard to occasionally pick up cactus plants or counterfeited money and take it to the bank/drug dealer."

Undermine everyones EFFORT
It is NOT HARD to occasionally pick up cactus plants......

Referring back to the paragraph, there is literally no need for money spending on the rp server. I can jump in and say I am the fucking sanitation police and go around being an idiot and maybe gather a few chuckles or laughs. Money is not required to have an imagination.

NOW THEN! Going back to this roof thing:
I may have been the one who spoke out and you are calling me a complainer, a bitch, or a cry baby. However, I wanted to speak out against a problem. You know what? Not any old rdming noob can surf that easily, unless he has surfed before. My original intent was completely removing roof access all together. That way no one can have it. Concerning your 20mil? Do what you said, grind it and earn it if it is SOOO important to you. You can also just sell the door and find a new place to live, besides you probably got an endless amount of rp money at this rate. The way I see it is, only a select few people being able to access one area for a fee, feels like an ingame pay to win. Yes it is not really money so it is not the real definition of pay to win, but it can be considered such with a benefit as heavy as that. Myback and I are basically in a 2v8 against the community concerning this issue. We will do what we can to fight for our decisions and thought processes.

AND YES! I MENTIONED FARMING AGAIN! WAHHH TELL MYBACK TO FUCKING BAN ME!!!!!!!!!

Okay, so you enjoy roleplaying. Thats wonderful more power to you. Some people enjoy the cactus growing. More power to them. Some people enjoy RDM. More power to them. This is a diverse community and it needs to be treated as one. At its current state it is being treated as one as all three of those things are currently supported. Now Im not awarr of the actual average number of people but for example lets say 15. now lets say the server isnt a farm to win, youve lost 2/e things so you have 5 peopl on. Lets say you remove the whole roleplay aspect, you have 10 people. Moonshade is fine at its current statw Im not sure why people are trying to fix what isnt broken.