A few final words

Comvic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzH5vvjNdeQ

CoalWorker

[font=times new roman]I can see where you're coming from Vic.
When I first saw the server I was excited for role playing, but I completely lost the meaning of it and adopted the rdm form of the game.
Like every community or organization, everyone needs a reform once in a while. Going back to your memory of how moonshade was sounds very exciting to me and I'm sure it would be for everyone else!
It let's people be creative, like their jobs and know how to role play.
People join the server seeing the title Moonshade Role Play; when they join all they see is rdm and jobs that don't mean anything in the long run.
If a new player joins and sees role play, then hell, the server lives up to it's name! People expect that, but when they find out how the server truly is...
They leave.
They're hopes are turned down, they can't experience the fun of role playing a character, we ruin our image of title, Role Play.
Change needs to happen, but how soon will that happen? Will the community reform to "the old days"?
We need to come together and live up to what the server is titled for and enjoy what people expect from us.

Thank you Vic.[/font]

-josef-

I agree with you a lot, being pretty much 2 jobs (drug dealer and cop) isn't much of roleplay... I would love if Moonshade maybe made a new server (doubt that would happen with the JB server and another server, the community would be split into 3 servers and probably be dead) of ACTUAL like roleplay. It would be fun, but a very big change. I might update my post later bcz u know I have to think kek

Comvic

Thank you Josef and coal. I am glad to not be the only one. 😃

Whatsittooya ?THC?

If you want roleplay, ACTUAL roleplay, take matters into your own hands. Nobody is telling you to conform to the usual planting/printing/cuffing etc. If you want some of the imaginative stuff going on, get it going. When you see a decent amount of players on the server, start something. Come up with ideas and announce them on the server. "Okay guys, if any of you want to join me, I want to do such-and-such." Like, for example, those impromptu chacha slides we did. Those were fun, and we had a good amount of people participating.

"If you want something done right, do it yourself." Don't rely on the admins or other players to get something fun going. Nobody's going to stop you from using your imagination and inviting other players to partake in whatever you're doing. Obviously, drug dealing and being cop are not the only things you are ALLOWED to do, so don't bitch about it and say that shit is boring if you don't consciously make an effort to change it.

And don't come at me with "I've tried." Even if you have, not everyone on at any one given time is going to be into that, and I realize that. But don't just come one once in a blue moon, make a meager attempt, and whine about it when it doesn't work your way. Come on more frequently, at different times of the day, and get your ideas going. It's not that hard.

If you can sit there and make a several-minute long video ranting about the shit, you can sit on the server for the equal amount of time trying to push your ideas until you see something going.

It's not a matter to complain about. It's a matter to try and solve yourself if you are not content with it. Hell, there are two other VRs that hardly get used. Use one of them when you feel like getting those actual "roleplay" ideas going, that way you can isolate the conversation and it feels all the more imaginative and "roleplay"ish.

myback

Here is my reply. Agree with me or not, it is your choice:

[font=arial]Before I begin with my reply, here is a brief history lesson: Back in the olden days of this RP, ways before Nick introduced "dynamic jobs" and the drugs we know "and love" today, we had around 50 or so "make-believe" jobs. People picked the job that they wanted and roleplayed as whatever they were. It was a choice, they had to do it, or else would get bored and leave. One thing stuck out to players: Robbing. Anyone, regardless of their job, could rob NPC's. It got them money, to purchase the big items that allowed them to do more powerful things than what their minds could think of. We lost our creativity. Our sense to play the "mod" how it was meant to be played.[/font]

[font=arial]First of all, I believe AFKing is awesome. It increases the server's slots so more players browsing for servers can notice us and think: "Hey, an RP server in CS:GO? I'll try it out". It just makes the MoonShade community appear healthier to someone in the server browser. But we have created a terrible problem with the way we AFK, specifically our righteous few and richest players, whom I will leave unnamed. Why am I talking about AFKing? Because it is one of the few root problems that caused these nasty effects Vic described in his video. Most, if not all of us, AFK for self-fulfillment: to gain more money, as defined in the background, to be used on ourselves for protection such as locks. food, or whatever.

However, this creates a conflict: Not everyone is AFKing for selfish reasons - Believe it or not: people actually want our server to look sustainable and populated - healthy. When my friend, Vulpez, would AFK on the server, it was for the server - not him. He was doing this for the community. But now as a community, we've inflicted a negative outlook and it is time we change.*

To everyone: *Refer to the points synthesized in Vic's video and actually watch it, don't just read our replies - He brings up amazing ideas that we need to grow up to.

Vic, if you're leaving now and forever, I just want you to know that you've made me change how I think of roleplay. I not only think differently and better now because of you but have evolved myself in the philosophy of roleplay. It's a wakeup call for me and everyone else. I used to be so one-sided with the way our current system works. I used to think it was 100% perfect and such. We're all Romans, crucifying you for doing the right thing, we're terrible.

For everyone and especially you Vic, I know you may or may not like the idea of our new Jailbreak server. But I highly recommend you join it. We can call it, in a different sense, another roleplay server. The only downfall is that you HAVE to RP as a prisoner or a guard. I'll be working on it full time and again: I recommend you to play it someday. It's pretty fun from what I have witnessed playing it.

To conclude: You know what I value than any of this? Freedom. I will give everyone the freedom to roleplay seriously or not. If you just wanna cool off after a tense game and chat, vent, or just RP, whatever you want. That's the glory of MoonShade. But take advantage of that freedom? Turn the game into something it wasn't meant to be like this mindless drug-money/AFK cycle? No. And this is why I've begun to exclaim I will be taking the purpose of our roleplay server in a different direction. We're more than just mindless zombies.
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Comvic

Whatsittooya ?THC? wrote
If you want roleplay, ACTUAL roleplay, take matters into your own hands. Nobody is telling you to conform to the usual planting/printing/cuffing etc. If you want some of the imaginative stuff going on, get it going. When you see a decent amount of players on the server, start something. Come up with ideas and announce them on the server. "Okay guys, if any of you want to join me, I want to do such-and-such." Like, for example, those impromptu chacha slides we did. Those were fun, and we had a good amount of people participating.

"If you want something done right, do it yourself." Don't rely on the admins or other players to get something fun going. Nobody's going to stop you from using your imagination and inviting other players to partake in whatever you're doing. Obviously, drug dealing and being cop are not the only things you are ALLOWED to do, so don't bitch about it and say that shit is boring if you don't consciously make an effort to change it.

And don't come at me with "I've tried." Even if you have, not everyone on at any one given time is going to be into that, and I realize that. But don't just come one once in a blue moon, make a meager attempt, and whine about it when it doesn't work your way. Come on more frequently, at different times of the day, and get your ideas going. It's not that hard.

If you can sit there and make a several-minute long video ranting about the shit, you can sit on the server for the equal amount of time trying to push your ideas until you see something going.

It's not a matter to complain about. It's a matter to try and solve yourself if you are not content with it. Hell, there are two other VRs that hardly get used. Use one of them when you feel like getting those actual "roleplay" ideas going, that way you can isolate the conversation and it feels all the more imaginative and "roleplay"ish.

The whole point of the video was that I DID try. I tried several times and put forth the effort. I am trying to express that the aspects of roleplaying among others AND myself are deteriorating . The relationships within the community are becoming stale and players uniting to make a better time are simply gone. I never said that I wasn't restricted from doing this by server rules or an admin telling me so. It is that no one is wanting to roleplay and unite with each other. No one wants to enjoy themselves. I am trying to say that there is a bad quantity of repetition and toxicity building up to where the server is falling out of what I would call a "roleplay" server.

PatrickJFox

I agree with you roleplaying is quite important grinding is not much fun anymore.
plus there is a lot of drama

I definitely believe there needs to be a change and I think you have started the change

Thanks you vic

Patrick j fox

Comvic

I'd like to thank everyone for the responses good and bad. Sorry but mybacks was deep af tho.

Earth

Yeah myback really did nail it there

I would love for more roleplay to happen on the server. Though I feel it would be VERY hard to do on a game like CS:GO, where everybody is trained to kill on sight, it can be done. I've checked out other RP servers recently, one similar to ours, on other games. While people still grew their drugs in their homes, they were mostly outside making up their own little minigames often forgetting about their drugs because they were having so much fun. A lot of people were roleplaying as their "jobs" that were really just titles with nothing special about them, but we had a blast and many laughs, and laughter creates the fondest memories.

Seeing these other servers and having these experiences have changed the way I look at this game mode. I've been trying to take things I've learned into here, by being outside and interacting with players more, using random jobs to balance out the scoreboard, making up mini games like the watermelon and chicken races we had last night, pd raids and well, roleplaying. I've been pushing every cop to actually jail people who have not even an intent on playing their job but to just kill everything which just annoys everyone. If I plan on taking a break during the day time I actually leave the server now, and have been only actually AFKing with printers when I go to bed at night... hey I love money 🙂

Back then when you would talk about roleplaying becoming more of a real thing on the server, you probably remember me replying with things like "well, what jobs could we make, and what would they do? what kind of title jobs like alligator wrestler could we add?" but I see now that that doesn't even matter, nor do we really need it. A title before your name doesn't have to determine what you can do on the server. At most it adds a drop of humor to them. I believe we can achieve a server with a healthy mix of our current money-making gameplay and more real roleplay, and if there's one person who could really help with that, Vic, it's you. I just wish I saw it this way earlier before you left. I do hope you come visit our JB server sometime, it's very fun to roleplay seriously as a cop or prisoner with familiar voices.

Don't leave us Based Vic, MoonShade welcomes and needs you.

Joey

"It has become dry and boring". Vic, <3

Sheckles

There's alot i could input into this.

Now back whenever i started playing arma ALOT, back in march maybe, was because my friends and i discovered something different to a game built ground up on a massive scale battle sandbox. From Tanks and helicopter death machines, to hardcore and serious roleplay. This was Altis oife arma 3, (ive played it with jamal and skittles, they didnt enjoy it as much as i did when we played in like july. ) anywho, i discovered there was more to roleplay than what ive been playing for the past year: moonshade. I learned that i could drive around and drop off packages peacefully, ram into vehicles and blow them up (i got in trouble). Watch the entire police force die by closing a bargate ontop of my truck. And theres anything i could do to make money. Starting out i did peaches and apple picking, then decided to turtle poach, then excavate treasure. There was even drugs that moonshade had but this took alot of time, alot of effort too. I would have to go to said field without dying, grow the plants, collect it, then process it without being caught, robbed, or killed. Moonshade couldnt offer me such advanced techniques and roleplay. Soon i moved to modded servers, custom maps, cars, guns, clothing, you name it. Full EMS and COP force and civillians that are usually friendly. I met lots of new people and would hang out with them daily, recent weeks have been cancer and alot of drama. I dont want to play arma anymore, just go back to messing around with my friends then laugh about it in school. Moonshade started my interest in roleplay, and eventually was my push to another games roleplay. I managed to become the 6th richest player on the server through corn. Yes. Corn.

Now, from what ive seen, i think RDM should have actual consequences, not a casual occurrence. Moonshade turns into a deathmatch server when theres 20+ on and most of them are civillians. People trying and doing other stuff would make roleplay better honestly.

(Myback can always hit me up questions about how arma roleplay works :p

Comvic

Earth wrote
Yeah myback really did nail it there

I would love for more roleplay to happen on the server. Though I feel it would be VERY hard to do on a game like CS:GO, where everybody is trained to kill on sight, it can be done. I've checked out other RP servers recently, one similar to ours, on other games. While people still grew their drugs in their homes, they were mostly outside making up their own little minigames often forgetting about their drugs because they were having so much fun. A lot of people were roleplaying as their "jobs" that were really just titles with nothing special about them, but we had a blast and many laughs, and laughter creates the fondest memories.

Seeing these other servers and having these experiences have changed the way I look at this game mode. I've been trying to take things I've learned into here, by being outside and interacting with players more, using random jobs to balance out the scoreboard, making up mini games like the watermelon and chicken races we had last night, pd raids and well, roleplaying. I've been pushing every cop to actually jail people who have not even an intent on playing their job but to just kill everything which just annoys everyone. If I plan on taking a break during the day time I actually leave the server now, and have been only actually AFKing with printers when I go to bed at night... hey I love money 🙂

Back then when you would talk about roleplaying becoming more of a real thing on the server, you probably remember me replying with things like "well, what jobs could we make, and what would they do? what kind of title jobs like alligator wrestler could we add?" but I see now that that doesn't even matter, nor do we really need it. A title before your name doesn't have to determine what you can do on the server. At most it adds a drop of humor to them. I believe we can achieve a server with a healthy mix of our current money-making gameplay and more real roleplay, and if there's one person who could really help with that, Vic, it's you. I just wish I saw it this way earlier before you left. I do hope you come visit our JB server sometime, it's very fun to roleplay seriously as a cop or prisoner with familiar voices.

Don't leave us Based Vic, MoonShade welcomes and needs you.

I doubt I am quitting forever, my words were rather strong within that video because I sort of reached my breaking point and I think things just came off a bit harsh. I will be a bit more active on steam once I figure out what is going on with my internet cause thats another partial reason. I am unable to get on cause something is wrong with my internet. Either way man, I appreciate it.

Comvic

Joey wrote
"It has become dry and boring". Vic, <3

I was mostly referring to the people that were getting on. A lot of newer players are quiet or timid because of the lack of comfort-ability. This enables these players to be excessively dry and boring and unsure what to do. Even with maximum effort, it does not sway them due to their perspective on the server currently.

Joey

It's only become dry and boring because I've done everything. I was on the top, I owned whatever house I wanted when I wanted, I controlled many opinions on the server ( non intentionally) and enemies I had either become friends or slowly crawled into a hole. I dissident know what to do when I was on top so I quit,being on top, gave everything away, and started on a alt. From that alt I got 3x as far as I had said I would, and did everything I did on my main, aside from the being on top part/ owning what house I wanted ( people bought almost every house). And that's just the money grinding part

I had so many great times, I probably role played as everything in the book. Because of that I had nothing to do.everything I did I had done before, since my hours weren't all hours but actual playing hours. To this day when I log on everything I do brings back memories of the last time I did it so it's not as fun: (

Maverick

myback wrote
Here is my reply. Agree with me or not, it is your choice:

[font=arial]Before I begin with my reply, here is a brief history lesson: Back in the olden days of this RP, ways before Nick introduced "dynamic jobs" and the drugs we know "and love" today, we had around 50 or so "make-believe" jobs. People picked the job that they wanted and roleplayed as whatever they were. It was a choice, they had to do it, or else would get bored and leave. One thing stuck out to players: Robbing. Anyone, regardless of their job, could rob NPC's. It got them money, to purchase the big items that allowed them to do more powerful things than what their minds could think of. We lost our creativity. Our sense to play the "mod" how it was meant to be played.[/font]

[font=arial]First of all, I believe AFKing is awesome. It increases the server's slots so more players browsing for servers can notice us and think: "Hey, an RP server in CS:GO? I'll try it out". It just makes the MoonShade community appear healthier to someone in the server browser. But we have created a terrible problem with the way we AFK, specifically our righteous few and richest players, whom I will leave unnamed. Why am I talking about AFKing? Because it is one of the few root problems that caused these nasty effects Vic described in his video. Most, if not all of us, AFK for self-fulfillment: to gain more money, as defined in the background, to be used on ourselves for protection such as locks. food, or whatever.

However, this creates a conflict: Not everyone is AFKing for selfish reasons - Believe it or not: people actually want our server to look sustainable and populated - healthy. When my friend, Vulpez, would AFK on the server, it was for the server - not him. He was doing this for the community. But now as a community, we've inflicted a negative outlook and it is time we change.*

To everyone: *Refer to the points synthesized in Vic's video and actually watch it, don't just read our replies - He brings up amazing ideas that we need to grow up to.

Vic, if you're leaving now and forever, I just want you to know that you've made me change how I think of roleplay. I not only think differently and better now because of you but have evolved myself in the philosophy of roleplay. It's a wakeup call for me and everyone else. I used to be so one-sided with the way our current system works. I used to think it was 100% perfect and such. We're all Romans, crucifying you for doing the right thing, we're terrible.

For everyone and especially you Vic, I know you may or may not like the idea of our new Jailbreak server. But I highly recommend you join it. We can call it, in a different sense, another roleplay server. The only downfall is that you HAVE to RP as a prisoner or a guard. I'll be working on it full time and again: I recommend you to play it someday. It's pretty fun from what I have witnessed playing it.

To conclude: You know what I value than any of this? Freedom. I will give everyone the freedom to roleplay seriously or not. If you just wanna cool off after a tense game and chat, vent, or just RP, whatever you want. That's the glory of MoonShade. But take advantage of that freedom? Turn the game into something it wasn't meant to be like this mindless drug-money/AFK cycle? No. And this is why I've begun to exclaim I will be taking the purpose of our roleplay server in a different direction. We're more than just mindless zombies.
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Ya i still lurk here...

Shout out to Nick, When the drugs were introduced to the game it was game changing, the DM game style has slowly ruined RP in my opinion once killing someone for the money they received from drugs while you grow your drugs became the only roleplay in RP_x it was the beginning of the end. It's unfortunate but the feeling of RP as it was 10 years ago will never return as the DM style has slowly became the norm.